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Hello, my friends, and welcome to Episode 4 of Conversations With A Couple Of Crones.



In this episode of CWACOC, we begin with our usual opening question, Where am I now?. (As always you may choose to listen to the podcast above, or watch us on video by clicking the film icon on the player.)


You’ll hear that we’re working on our Attraction sphere at the moment, and you’ll hear me (Lizzie) talk about my tricksy Gene Key 62 … Intellect, Precision, Impeccability.

This has been quite a huge couple of weeks for me. I struggled with GK62 when I did my Golden Path one to one with Hayley, getting my head around INTELLECT being a Shadow was pretty difficult for me to grasp. And I confess, I’m still a work in progress on this Gene Key!

I talk about how I am leaning into the Gift of Precision so much more, and about how I am seeing the holographic nature of my chart … I am seeing connections back to my Purpose, connections back to my Radiance, connections on to my Vocation. I describe it as seeing a string of golden lights, that are interwoven, and each time I light one up, it makes the other keys light up.

You’ll hear Meghan talk about her Attraction Gene Key of 45 … Dominance, Synergy, Communion. She spoke about being very heavily into the Shadow, and very into the Repressive of her Dominance Gene Key.

Meghan spoke about the fact that working with her Attraction key is also doing that thing I spoke of … pinging the other keys in her chart, and how she is seeing these connections in the Star Pearl work she is doing alongside Devoted.

She talked about this very enlightening thing the Gene Keys Gang (Richard, Elijah, et al) do in the Star Pearl course, where they create statements about the Pathways in the Star Pearl that connect the spheres at either end. Meghan decided to do this for the Pathway of Dharma between our Purpose and our Attraction spheres, which we’re working on at the moment in Devoted … When I am feeling competitive and wanting to win at all costs, I block my pathway of Destiny and I fall into the state of Weakness.

For me, she came up with … When I am feeling like I have to support everything I do with a set of numbers and words and facts, then I block my pathway of Destiny and I fall into Inadequacy. 🤯

(This is at about 7 minutes 30 seconds in, if you’re interested in trying this! It’s very powerful!)

This led onto a very juicy conversation about Vulnerability … taking off our cloaks of our shadows, taking off the armour that we’ve protected ourselves with for our whole lives. I love how Meghan put it …

Moving from that Shadow into the Gift, is changing paradigms … safety is within the vulnerability.

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The Question from Our Community

As we are recording this conversation, we are working with our Attraction sphere as part of our work in Hayley’s container, Devoted, so this week’s Question from Our Gene Keys Unleashed Community is just perfect.

This week we have another question from our friend, the lovely Debbie …

“How has exploring your Venus Sequence changed the way you approach relationships?” 

You’ll hear Meghan talk about how this is gentle work, and how we learn so much more about ourselves and about our Gene Keys, each time we go through this Venus Sequence (this is her third time, and my second time here in the Venus stream!). She spoke about the power of understanding the Line of her Attraction sphere and that of her husband’s.

“The invitation that every single relationship I have, not only helps me grow my purpose, but it is also my dharma … all the things that I attract are helping me grow a better me.”

You’ll hear me talk about the changes I am seeing in my open-hearted communications, which is one of the biggest breakthroughs for me; and with that open-heartedness, how I am coming to understand that everyone is on their own journeys! I talked about the changes I see in moving from the head space (which is where my Shadow of Intellect lives) into my heart space.

I talk about how I can see my Shadow of Intellect in every significant relationship I’ve had!

I also talked about how the Gene Keys work has opened me up to so many real relationships … I now have all these relationships that feed my soul. ❤️‍🔥

Vulnerable with boundaries”!! Another gem from Meghan (she was on fire in this conversation!!)


Our Question to Ourselves …

This delicious conversation that Debbie sparked in us led beautifully onto our question to ourselves …

How do we continue to live the river of our Dharma, when we have people in our lives who have expectations that we are who we used to be – what COULD we do to let them see the real, authentic versions of ourselves that they’re not used to?

You’ll hear me talk about how my husband expects me to still be the insecure, inadequate woman I used to be. You’ll hear me talk about how I can show not tell him who I really am, by telling my truths, by walking my talk.

Meghan talked beautifully about her relationship with her husband … about how she is transmuting the “messy” conversations by being more in her Gifts than in her Shadows (spoiler alert, they’re still messy, but they’re so nourishing now that she has the tools of the Gene Keys, and is moving in her Gifts more!).

Meghan also talked about the Six Lines of Appreciation, which is an incredibly powerful tool to use in your relationships.

I also talked about “me” problems versus “their” problems (another spoiler alert here … it’s always a fucking ME problem!!!!)


If you haven’t yet bought the Venus Sequence course, here’s a little teaser of the sort of nuggets of gold that you can expect Richard and the Gene Keys Gang to share in their “optional materials”. Honestly, if you haven’t already invested in the Gene Keys courses, I cannot recommend them highly enough. I will be using mine, and watching the videos and reading the text, for the rest of my life. I’m sure Richard wouldn’t mind me sharing this with you (especially if it does encourage you to do the Venus Sequence 🤗🙏🏻!!)


The 6 LINES OF APPRECIATION from the Gene Keys


And We End with a Touch of Whimsy

Listen in to each episode to hear us pose a whimsical question that the other is not expecting!!

This week’s whimsical questions are really magical, and Meghan’s would definitely be a fun one to ask your partner or your bff!!!

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